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    Quick update for anybody who doesn't follow PH - and who might be considering defecting to the dark side.

    Actually, "dark side" is relevant since one of my current complaints is that the headlights (on main beam) are crap. There is no range at all, and although road signs and cats eyes are illuminated fairly far away, the road is dark from about 20ft in front of the car. Even at road legal speeds (which obviously is all the time......) I don't feel like I can see where I'm going in the dark - I've never owned a car where that was the case before.

    My roof leaks in the rain - which given the recent weather, means it leaks often. Not badly - a few drips on the passenger seat, although I'm pretty sure my back was damp on the way into work this morning so maybe the driver side leaks too.

    Had a few niggles - most only ever seem to happen once. IRIS (the infotainment system) had no sound one day - a quick reboot fixed it, and I don't really count this anyway since I knew the IRIS system was crap before I even bought the car.
    Last week, the driver side mirror failed to fold out fully twice - once on Wednesday, once on Friday. That was a bit annoying.
    Had a high pitched whine from the car when I opened the door a couple of weeks ago (after putting some stuff in the boot) - and when I got in, the electrics were dead. Pressed the start button and the alarm went off! Interestingly - when I parked at work today I opened the boot, then remembered that my stuff was in the car with me. Forgot to close the boot - when I locked the car, I got the same whine - presumably telling me the boot was open. However, that doesn't explain what happened a few weeks ago, because it shouldn't be doing that when I'm opening the car and getting into it, and the electrics shouldn't be dead when I do!

    Basically - it seems to have a lot of niggling faults - usually I manage about 3 days of trouble free use (apart from the leaking roof) - and then something odd will happen. Having said that, if you read some of the stories on the owners club - even from people who are quite positive about their cars on the public forum - it seems I got one of the good ones. While there are people who have completely trouble free cars - there are also people who have a lot more (and a lot more serious) issues than me....

    Car goes back to McLaren after work today. At the very least, it needs to come back with a roof that doesn't leak, lights which show me where I'm going, and a mirror that always folds out.

    Overall, I still like the car - but I am beginning to get fed up of the repeated niggles. It's not like it was a cheap car, and it's not like it's cheap to run - the warranty cost is hardly peanuts. It has the winter to start behaving itself, or it will be for sale in the spring - no doubt at considerably less than I paid for it!

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    Hopefully these little niggles can be fixed. It sounds like a bit of effort from McLaren will bottom them. I guess the leaky roof with it being outside is annoying but that should be something they can fix.
    My Z3 seals are worn and it does leak a tiny bit in really heavy rain on the driver's side. I have a 'cap' cover I use when I know we are going to have heavy rain, either way it really is not an issue.

    The headlights, are they LED? I changed them on my CLA to LED. So much better. Somebody has put HID's in the Z3 and they too are superb.

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    Car was back at McLaren from Monday afternoon to Friday last week :

    They agreed that the roof seal did not look like it was fitted correctly, so they re-seated it. It still looks badly fitted to me, but there hasn't been enough rain to know if it's made a difference.
    They found that the passenger light was "slightly low" and adjusted it - it's made sod all difference. Yes, I believe they are LED - to be honest, they do seem plenty bright enough - they just don't point that light far enough forward. I will have to discuss with them again - clocks go back next week, and it's due a service in December so at least they should be able to drive it down a dark road at that point and see how poor they are.
    They fixed the driver side dash noise - now I have a passenger side dash noise.....

    Couldn't reproduce the other issues (including the driver side mirror problem) and hence couldn't fix them.

    Hopefully, stuff will gradually get fixed.

    One of my main complaints at the moment is that it spins the wheels far too often. It even caught me out yesterday when I didn't think I accelerated particularly hard (and it was only a very brief press on the accelerator pedal from about 40mph) and the car went a tad sideways.
    The car has traction control. It even has "winter mode" which reduces the power and sets traction control to "maximum sensitivity". And yet, I can still spin the wheels if I want to (in the dry).
    I raised it on the McLaren owners group this morning and asked if it was normal - but I mostly got replies saying I should expect that on cold roads / I should check my tyre brand, tread and pressures / I should make sure the tyres are warm etc. etc. etc. I tried to point out that wasn't the question - I am aware that if I drive a powerful car without traction control, I need to be careful not to spin the wheels. And I'm aware that if I find traction control is limiting power often, I should be checking all those things to reduce how often it happens. But surely the point of traction control is that I shouldn't have to care that much about those things? I accept that there are different levels of sensitivity in winter mode / normal / sport / track - but I'm dubious that it should let the car get sideways enough that I could park it in a hedge before it kicks in.
    I'm also a little suspicious that I don't think I've ever seen an indicator on the dash saying that traction control is engaged - so I am beginning to wonder if it actually works (although it does seem to spin the wheels less in winter vs normal vs sport, so I guess it does). I will experiment more over the weekend.

    Despite its niggles - and there do seem to be a few - I do love it at the moment. Had a great drive home yesterday (except the one brief heart stopping moment) - and I'm planning to go to the Sporting Bears 30 year celebration on Sunday, which means I might even give it a run on track. Would be a good opportunity to get to know the car a bit better - even though I wouldn't push it particularly hard at this time of year.

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